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#1 OFFLINE   jam

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 02:31 AM

I just got my father - in - law a new escape on the z-plan, fully loaded SEL. He picked it up on June 29 and drove it for 4 days (63 miles), The cars been in the shop ever since, 13 days and counting. The problem is an oil leak somewhere on the back side of the motor. At first they wanted to replace the motor, said the leak was not repairable, now they claim it is some hose and o-ring, and are going to replace them. Anyone from KC know of a problem with the small ecoboost leaking oil? Bad thing is my father in law was a GM Man and I talked him into to this vehicle, now I getting beat up over it.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 05:06 AM

Never buy the first model year of an all new vehicle. You are the guinea pig.

Edited by Pioneer, 18 July 2012 - 05:06 AM.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 05:39 AM

I'm assuming they gave your father in law a free rental, but that still suck a big one.Is this with the 1.6 engine?

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 05:48 AM

I've seen brand new GM vehicles leak too. I've seen a brand new Ram pickup have to be pulled off the delivery truck because of a bad transmission. Time to calm down and fix it.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 06:02 AM

Jam, I know the feeling. The inlaws are mopar people, used to be ford up until late 70's. They STILL go on about the brand new 78 f-100 that never made it home from the dealership. 20miles on it and the fuel pump went. To this day, "ford doesn't know how to make a fuel pump". They continually pump money into their mopars but it's ok, but I have a flat and "SEE FORDS SUCK".
Whatever, just suck it up and ignore it as long as you can. Hopefully it will be fixed soon.
But yes, everything will be your fault...with every ford out there...in their eyes.



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Posted 18 July 2012 - 06:42 AM

All I have to say, is crap happens..and its unfortunate that this has happened to them. I'd give them the benifit of the doubt to see what happens with the truck. Like Pioneer said, don't by the first year of a major change over in a car, there are bugs that need to be ironed out!

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 07:39 AM

That's a drag and hopefully an isolated incident. There's always the chance of a few bad seals slipping into the mix, or an assembler messing up on one engine. The Bridgend assembly has been building them for the European market since 2010 so it's not like these are the first. As far a buying the first year, the drivetrains have been in production since 2010, it's not like it's new technology, only the body styling is new.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:01 AM

I talked to a Ford engineer a few weeks back. There is a oil leak problem on the 1.6L Ecoboost. A bad hose clamp. Ford is aware of it and is working on a fix.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:06 AM

Never buy the first model year of an all new vehicle. You are the guinea pig.


I bought the 3rd Fusion off the truck at my local dealer back in 2005. Almost 7 years later I've only had to change the oil, tires, cleaned out the hvac fan and replaced a broken door handle. 54K miles and still on the original brakes. Not a single dealer visit.

Yeah, those first year vehicles are horrible.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:19 AM

I bought the 3rd Fusion off the truck at my local dealer back in 2005. Almost 7 years later I've only had to change the oil, tires, cleaned out the hvac fan and replaced a broken door handle. 54K miles and still on the original brakes. Not a single dealer visit.

Yeah, those first year vehicles are horrible.


So do you think all new first year vehicles on average have less or more problems than norm? Anecdotally, my 2002 Taurus is five times better than my '97 and three times better than my '99. In fact, my 2002 was so good that I bought it outright when lease was up, and I couldn't wait for lease to be up on '97 especially. Still waiting for that first recall notice in mail on my 2002. TSB on fan motor was it and fixed under warranty and no problems since it was sealed so no water could get in and destroy electric motor. Fusions though do seem to get consistently better than avearge reliability ratings. Ford's best vehicle for quality.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:30 AM

I have neighbors who were GM people and then bought a Ford Escape which was a total POS (two bad trannies, suspension failures, you name it broke on that car). I feel sympathy because the Escapes/Mariners in the family have proven to be very chintzy and flimsy products with lots of problems, they are NOT good vehicles! Suffice it to say they will never buy Ford again (and it's one reason I HATE the outgoing Escape). It happens to all automakers and it's well deserved, I don't fault the owner for their bad experiences.

But it's becoming clear that Ford has a significant problem with Initial Quality in the last two years and it's reasonable to assume at this point that any 1st year launches are not going to be trouble free until proven otherwise. Eventually they work it out as they always have, but they still have not figured out how to iron out quality before launch. But Ford is an innovator, unlike the quality stalwarts, so there is some forgiveness there since we know they'll get it all worked out eventually.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:37 AM

But the Escape is the latest in a series of buggy launches at Ford. AVOID 2013!




But it's becoming clear that Ford has a significant problem with Initial Quality in the last two years and it's reasonable to assume at this point that any 1st year launches are not going to be trouble free until proven otherwise.


Nice edit on your first comment....anyways...for crying out loud, your friggen chicken little running around with his head chopped off...one issue reported here isn't a disaster you make it out to be.

Man I hate to see you in the real world...do you ball your eyes out when you stub your toe or iPhone loses its charge? Serious...drama queen isn't the answer...

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:48 AM

I bought the 3rd Fusion off the truck at my local dealer back in 2005. Almost 7 years later I've only had to change the oil, tires, cleaned out the hvac fan and replaced a broken door handle. 54K miles and still on the original brakes. Not a single dealer visit.

Yeah, those first year vehicles are horrible.


The Fusion, Edge, Five-Hundred, Freestyle and the Lincoln/Merc counterparts all emerged at a time when Ford had REALLY nailed down quality. But these were also very conservative products with virtually no innovation beyond a 6-speed GM tranny and later a 3.5L V6 (and not including the unloved CVT). The products launched now are much more risky and initial quality has suffered. The quality decline also accompanies Mulally's push for One Ford and innovation. So in many ways, you can thank Mulally for deconstructing Ford's quality focus in an effort to reshape the company. Hopefully they can figure out how to be financially and globally viable while maintaining quality. In many ways, Ford and VW are starting to share some characteristics. Global Innovators with quality problems.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:55 AM

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Nice edit on your first comment....anyways...for crying out loud, your friggen chicken little running around with his head chopped off...one issue reported here isn't a disaster you make it out to be.

Man I hate to see you in the real world...do you ball your eyes out when you stub your toe or iPhone loses its charge? Serious...drama queen isn't the answer...


Indeed I am speaking of the Escape based on initial feedback, but I've seen it many times before...like the Focus. And combine that with IQS surveys which now rank Ford as the worst in Detroit, I have reason to be alarmed. But thanks for your input.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 10:04 AM

And combine that with IQS surveys which now rank Ford as the worst in Detroit,


*COUGH*DODGE*COUGH*COUGH* -- and problems-per-vehicle in 2012 is lower for Ford than it was in the mid-2000's which you claim were their "glory days" for quality. Ford had 120 PPV in 2007 vs 118 now.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 10:08 AM

*COUGH*DODGE*COUGH*COUGH* -- and problems-per-vehicle in 2012 is lower for Ford than it was in the mid-2000's which you claim were their "glory days" for quality. Ford had 120 PPV in 2007 vs 118 now.


That's in aggregate and quality at Ford remains very uneven so it's best to look at individual models. Remember the Expedition had notoriously bad numbers year after year. Specifically, I'm looking at IQS of all-new products. Essentially Ford's product launches ushered in a wave of high quality products with each new launch that erased the never-solved quality problems of older products. But now we are seeing a regression, at least at launch.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 10:10 AM

Specifically, I'm looking at IQS of all-new products.


Your actually saying your cherry picking numbers to support your views...
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 10:11 AM

That's in aggregate and quality at Ford remains very uneven so it's best to look at individual models. Remember the Expedition had notoriously bad numbers year after year. Specifically, I'm looking at IQS of all-new products.


So, I assume you have a listing of Ford's IQS results by model to come to such a judgment then? Bottom line: Ford's overall IQS is better now than it was when you said it was best.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 10:20 AM

So do you think all new first year vehicles on average have less or more problems than norm? Anecdotally, my 2002 Taurus is five times better than my '97 and three times better than my '99. In fact, my 2002 was so good that I bought it outright when lease was up, and I couldn't wait for lease to be up on '97 especially. Still waiting for that first recall notice in mail on my 2002. TSB on fan motor was it and fixed under warranty and no problems since it was sealed so no water could get in and destroy electric motor. Fusions though do seem to get consistently better than avearge reliability ratings. Ford's best vehicle for quality.


I don't think first year models are much worse than established models in todays computerized vehicle design and engineering state. Most problems that used to plague new models are now worked out prior to release.

What we see today are problems with software which is easily upgraded once it's fixed or engineering/design issues or defective parts which can plague anything that's changed at any point in the vehicle lifecycle.

I'm about to purchase a new 2013 Fusion and I have no qualms about it being a new model.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 10:31 AM

So, I assume you have a listing of Ford's IQS results by model to come to such a judgment then? Bottom line: Ford's overall IQS is better now than it was when you said it was best.


And we only need to compare Ford to Ford right? This is rankings game. You want to sell cars, people do research, they don't want to buy a 'below industry average' product. They don't care if Ford is improving relative to itself. And more importantly, Ford's quality perception outpaces actual ownership experience, meaning that Ford's quality reputation is overstated.

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