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#41 OFFLINE   PREMiERdrum

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 02:18 PM

All releases now posted.

As to Timm's post, remember that last year Toyota/Honda/Nissan sales were decimated by natural disasters, and Ford was the biggest beneficiary of those sales.

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#42 OFFLINE   timmm55

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 02:21 PM

MKT and MKZ you mean?

MKS was down 10%.


That was YTD, MKT's monthly was more impressive! That refresh must have really helped!
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 02:21 PM

All releases now posted.

As to Timm's post, remember that last year Toyota/Honda/Nissan sales were decimated by natural disasters, and Ford was the biggest beneficiary of those sales.


Indeed. I would say Hyundai would be a pretty good barometer to compare against given the somewhat erratic results from some of the other bigger players over the past 12 months.
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 02:22 PM

That was YTD, MKT's monthly was more impressive! That refresh must have really helped!


Ah, gotcha. I believe last month's MKT's may have included a good handful of fleet deliveries too -- there was that other thread about the MKT hearses...
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 02:23 PM

All releases now posted.

As to Timm's post, remember that last year Toyota/Honda/Nissan sales were decimated by natural disasters, and Ford was the biggest beneficiary of those sales.


That's why I didn't mention any Japanese companies. I expected a surge (no pun intended) from them.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 02:27 PM

And just for good measure:
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Not the first time GM recycled the tooling from a discontinued car. Remember Saab 9-7x with Oldsmobile Bravada sheet metal? :drop:

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 02:29 PM

Anybody bothered that Ford had the least percentage increase? 7% seems weak compared to GM or Chrysler, par with Hyundai who've been on a streak of late.
I know, I know they are more concerned with per unit profit than absolute sales..............but......

GM had a 36% increase in fleet deliveries.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 02:37 PM

GM had a 36% increase in fleet deliveries.


Just read the GM release, retail was up 8%, more inline with reality.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 02:41 PM

Wow. I just noticed that Cadillac sales are down 17% for the year. But I thought this is what Lincoln was supposed to be?!?!
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 02:51 PM

That's why I didn't mention any Japanese companies. I expected a surge (no pun intended) from them.

GM had a 36% increase in fleet deliveries.


Also, in 2011 both GM and Chrysler were still suffering from plenty of post-bailout backlash, which has since softened. I'll take Ford's steady gains over the last few years than the roller coaster ups and downs that the other players have been posting.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 03:59 PM

Wow. I just noticed that Cadillac sales are down 17% for the year. But I thought this is what Lincoln was supposed to be?!?!


DTS and STS both discontinued. That's over 10k units right there.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 04:04 PM

Looks like this is the first month that fully reflects Ranger kicking the bucket. Solid month overall.


Ranger fans sure didn't move over to the TC as its sales dropped year over year. Maybe F-Series, but hard to prove. Looks like Ranger fans have moved onto Toyota, Nissan, and maybe GM.
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 04:06 PM

DTS and STS both discontinued. That's over 10k units right there.


Yep, Cadillac this year has basically been selling CTS and SRX only. XTS and ATS should kickstart sales a bit. XTS sales figures will be interesting in a couple months as compared to MKS.
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 04:07 PM

Anybody bothered that Ford had the least percentage increase? 7% seems weak compared to GM or Chrysler


If you take out Ranger and Crown Vic they're up 13%.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 04:09 PM

Maybe F-Series, but hard to prove. Looks like Ranger fans have moved onto Toyota, Nissan, and maybe GM.


It's far more likely that most have moved to F series, small cars or CUVs. But as you said - no way to prove it.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 04:10 PM

Also, in 2011 both GM and Chrysler were still suffering from plenty of post-bailout backlash, which has since softened. I'll take Ford's steady gains over the last few years than the roller coaster ups and downs that the other players have been posting.


Ford has sold over 200,000 vehicles last two months. Since Ford only produces about 650,000 vehicles/quarter, Ford is basically selling what they make with little left over in inventory. Bill Brown Ford, one of Ford's highest volume Ford dealers in country, has a very meager inventory that I have never seen so low even during the the depths of recession. 200,000-220,000/month in sales is the maximum Ford can do with its production capacity at this time.
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 04:17 PM

If you take out Ranger and Crown Vic they're up 13%.


Lincoln sales are hanging in there as their slow sales have seemed to bottom out. Who knows what Lincoln could do when new MKZ arrives and dealers get an MKEscape. Also see that Metropolitan Lincoln in Garden City, MI has closed and most of the sales staff moved to Hines Park Lincoln that is getting all new Lincoln spec store this fall. I figured the loss of Mercury would doom that Lincoln dealership. Hines Park Lincoln will become a very high volume Lincoln store with its all new look, loss of Metropolitan, and pick up of even more A,Z business from Dearborn and Ford Tier One workers getting lots of overtime bucks.
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 04:43 PM

Ranger fans sure didn't move over to the TC as its sales dropped year over year. Maybe F-Series, but hard to prove. Looks like Ranger fans have moved onto Toyota, Nissan, and maybe GM.

Well no real bump in Tacoma 11,864
Bottom line is stop looking at what was lost, focus on the gains in SUVs like Escape and Explorer
Ford today is far more efficient than it was 12-18 months ago with those older BOF vehicles.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 04:50 PM

Amazing how many still look at sales and think Ford is somehow losing by not coming first,
getting a better average transaction price per vehicle is a far better use of resources.
We used to bash Ford for empty fleet sales yet other brands get a pass because they beat Ford..

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:02 PM

GM had a 36% increase in fleet deliveries.


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