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#61 OFFLINE   RichardJensen

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 04:52 PM

Checkmate.

Because the world is exactly the same as it was then, right? Meaning that Ford's strategy then would work just as well today.

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#62 OFFLINE   630land

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 04:56 PM

Well, Ford is doing better than GM these days. Caddy and Buick down quite a lot.

Chevy saved by low credit rating Sonic buyers.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 05:02 PM

Because the world is exactly the same as it was then, right? Meaning that Ford's strategy then would work just as well today.


3736 units sold.

You think this working or what?

No its not. Before you even come back at me with some lame drawn out business theory. The answer is "no" its not working.

Edited by BlackHorse, 03 February 2012 - 05:03 PM.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 05:05 PM

Well, it's not as if there are no new designs coming. But this again shows that the market for coupes is fickle and when anyone complains about lack of Taurus, Fusion, or Focus 2 door, ask where are the buyers?

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 05:13 PM

Problem is, the people you describe don't buy Mustangs because it doesn't work for their lifestyle.

Hence 3736 units sold. lol


Sports coupes are the barometer for the market and at the moment,everyone appears to be
in responsible mode buying sedans, CUVs, SUVsor trucks, vehicles with more utility.

Sure Ford could/should sell a $25,000 LX with F150 V8 but would buyers come running back?
I think so with rising SAARs, buyer confidence will return but perhaps production is better linked
with another set of vehicle(s) by someone who will appreciates RWD and who does the right thing.
FoA could be global custodians of RWD cars and export them globally as RHD and LHD.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 05:13 PM

Well, it's not as if there are no new designs coming. But this again shows that the market for coupes is fickle and when anyone complains about lack of Taurus, Fusion, or Focus 2 door, ask where are the buyers?


Probably has a lot to do with the fact that everytime a company comes out with a coupe version of a sedan for some unjustifiable reason it costs more than the sedan.

The Accord sedan starts at 21,380 and the coupe at 22,980
Altima sedan starts at 20,550 and the coupe starts at 23,780

I could go on and on but you get the idaa. So customers are standing on the lot going "Wait a minute, the coupe actually take less overall material to make by way of having less doors and you're going to charge me more for it."

Small wonder that coupe versions don't sell well. Once again, they've been priced right out of the market.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 05:15 PM

You think this working or what?

That's not at issue.

What's at issue is whether your approach is better.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 05:31 PM

Probably has a lot to do with the fact that everytime a company comes out with a coupe version of a sedan for some unjustifiable reason it costs more than the sedan.

The Accord sedan starts at 21,380 and the coupe at 22,980
Altima sedan starts at 20,550 and the coupe starts at 23,780

I could go on and on but you get the idaa. So customers are standing on the lot going "Wait a minute, the coupe actually take less overall material to make by way of having less doors and you're going to charge me more for it."

Small wonder that coupe versions don't sell well. Once again, they've been priced right out of the market.


Could it be that markets are moving away from coupes and that buyers these days want more utility?
If the sedan design is more popular then it shouldn't bear the costs of making the coupe variant.
The pricing by manufacturers is now clearly reflecting profitability ahead of production volume.
These days, user pays...

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 07:20 PM

Is th Focus taking away Fusion sells?

Overall, solid increase... even for Lincoln.Posted Image (minus Town Carot )

Not in my case....looked at Focus then bought my new Fusion......
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 07:25 PM

Problem is, the people you describe don't buy Mustangs because it doesn't work for their lifestyle.

Hence 3736 units sold. lol


Um JANUARY

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 08:12 PM

That's not at issue.

What's at issue is whether your approach is better.


It is.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 08:15 PM

Could it be that markets are moving away from coupes and that buyers these days want more utility?
If the sedan design is more popular then it shouldn't bear the costs of making the coupe variant.
The pricing by manufacturers is now clearly reflecting profitability ahead of production volume.
These days, user pays...


I don't think anyone actually knows which way markets are moving, especially the car makers. The sedan design is probably more popular only because they charge too much for the coupe and there's no reason why the coupe shouldn't have a lower price tag in most cases when comparing apples to apples i.e. feature content and powertrain.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:54 PM

3736 units sold.

You think this working or what?

No its not. Before you even come back at me with some lame drawn out business theory. The answer is "no" its not working.


Well, I guess we can just sum up what you're looking for with this: "You're right, Blackhorse. The Mustang is way overpriced, Ford doesn't have a clue. The Focus is a piece of shit, Ford doesn't have a clue. You're right Blackhorse and we're wrong."

Now, will you please give it up? Or add something meaningful?
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 10:25 PM

Well, I guess we can just sum up what you're looking for with this: "You're right, Blackhorse. The Mustang is way overpriced, Ford doesn't have a clue. The Focus is a piece of shit, Ford doesn't have a clue. You're right Blackhorse and we're wrong."

Now, will you please give it up? Or add something meaningful?


I'm sorry I couldn't hear anything over the baby crying guys. Go ahead.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 01:23 AM

I don't think anyone actually knows which way markets are moving, especially the car makers. The sedan design is probably more popular only because they charge too much for the coupe and there's no reason why the coupe shouldn't have a lower price tag in most cases when comparing apples to apples i.e. feature content and powertrain.

It all gets back to who buys what products and why....and how much those people are prepared to pay but with that,
there is pretty good evidence that buyers now want more utility in their vehicles and Coupes don't really do that.

You are right though, price has a bearing on how many people buy a certain product and most likely, Ford knew
that well equipped cars with higher prices was going to thin the buyer numbers.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 01:26 AM

It is.

The strength of your logic, your ability to construct a conclusion any reasonable person could understand, why, it's just. I... I'm ... It brings tears to my eyes.

By gum, "It is", so clear, so flawless. Why, I'm tempted to respond with "I know you are, but what am I."
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 01:33 AM

The strength of your logic, your ability to construct a conclusion any reasonable person could understand, why, it's just. I... I'm ... It brings tears to my eyes.

By gum, "It is", so clear, so flawless. Why, I'm tempted to respond with "I know you are, but what am I."


Oh spare me the psychobable nonsense Richard. Like I'm the only one around here that has ever espoused that what I believe X car company should do is the right thing to do. 90% of the guys around here do it all the time including you.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 02:04 AM

Like I'm the only one around here that has ever espoused

So let me see if I get this straight:

You should be able to say whatever you want, and no one should ever question what you say.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 02:04 AM

In other words, you expect to be treated differently than everyone else.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 02:05 AM

You want a separate set of standards applied to what you say here.

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