RichardJensen Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Lincoln variant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 yes, MOST excellent...which reminds me, wheres Pioneer lately...did he move to Mexico?..... I don't come here as often because of all the negativity towards UAW workers. And, as far as I can tell, this agreement will be close as to whether it passes or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 LOL They took his smartphone away from him... They couldn't pry it out of my cold dead hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) the 400 million dollar number to retool KCAP has been increased to 1 billion, that is more than ample to gut the entire plants and refurbish it to build such a large vehicle. The number is high because of the Integrated Stamping Plant they want to build. That alone will be close to $500 Million. EDIT: I don't know why you even speculate on why Ford does what where anymore. I've been telling you for years that Fusion overflow would go to AAI and you insisted that it would go to KCAP. Case closed. You don't know jack. Edited October 4, 2011 by Pioneer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 I don't come here as often because of all the negativity towards UAW workers. And, as far as I can tell, this agreement will be close as to whether it passes or not. comeon, you got thicker skin than that, hope this all works out well for you guys...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 In other news...Ford is adding 2 shifts of F-150 production...one for each plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 In other news...Ford is adding 2 shifts of F-150 production...one for each plant. DTP is already on 3 shifts. There is nothing to add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 DTP is already on 3 shifts. There is nothing to add. O...just was reading the freep article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 O...just was reading the freep article. I know. Our idiot Vice President said that. Still trying to figure out what kind of drugs he is taking. You can't run 4 shifts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 You can't run 4 shifts. 6 hours apiece? Mandatory undertime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 6 hours apiece? Mandatory undertime? ..slight shifting of the space/time continuum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 The number is high because of the Integrated Stamping Plant they want to build. That alone will be close to $500 Million. EDIT: I don't know why you even speculate on why Ford does what where anymore. I've been telling you for years that Fusion overflow would go to AAI and you insisted that it would go to KCAP. Case closed. You don't know jack. Thank you for your comments. I don't know jack about anything these days. Never mind who knew Ford would ante up $1 billion for KCAP in addition to $555 million to AAI for Fusion overflow. BTW this is a discussion forum, not the Detroit Free press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Wow, 'morning all I've just woken up to this excellent news. If I'm reading posts correctly: - $16 billion investment in USA, $6.2 billion for design and development of new product.. - Personnel, up to 12,000 new jobs over the next 4 years - Tier 1 wages to increase by several dollars an hour - Sign on bonus, $6,000 for current workers, $5,000 for new starters. - In lieu of COLA, workers will get $250/year bonus based on meeting quality KPIs - Profitability bonuses, payment in November for 2011 is expected to be $3,700 - - Flat Rock to build Fusion and MKZ - KCAP gets $1 billion upgrade (includes integrated stamping plant) to build full sized Transit - F650 and F750 moving to OHAP - Ford looking at increasing production of F150 - LAP to build new Escape and Lincoln variant Have I missed anything significant that can be added to the list? If all goes to plan and AAI becomes Fusion/MKZ plant, would Ford add CD4 Taurus/MKS there or just make changes at CAP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Reports have stated that Mustang will remain at AAI - including the next gen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) would Ford add CD4 Taurus/MKS there or just make changes at CAP? I don't think so. Look at the volumes that Ford needed on the Fusion/MKZ before they added production. The old Ford inserted the Mustang at Edison and San Jose, based on less than one year's sales. They pulled it from both of those facilities about 5 years later. It may be disingenuous on my part to cite something Ford did in the 60s as a counter example, but in many important ways, I don't think Ford's production mindset changed much between that time and the mid 00s. Edited October 4, 2011 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 I don't think so. Look at the volumes that Ford needed on the Fusion/MKZ before they added production. The old Ford inserted the Mustang at Edison and San Jose, based on less than one year's sales. They pulled it from both of those facilities about 5 years later. It may be disingenuous on my part to cite something Ford did in the 60s as a counter example, but in many important ways, I don't think Ford's production mindset changed much between that time and the mid 00s. I was thinking of rationalizing plants along the lines of platforms, CD4 (AAI), D3 (CAP), CD4S (OAP) having Fusion, CD4 Taurus and Mustang at AAI, all D3s at Chicago and freeing up OAP for Edge and MKX. But the more I think of it, the harder it becomes with reorganization of product s and suppliers and contracts, Maybe the savings are not enough to justify that much disruption, just leave thing the way they are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) I think there's more of a question regarding D3: Will Ford keep the CUVs on D3, even as it migrates the cars to CD4? I have a strong suspicion that Ford will keep the big CUVs on D3; I think there's enough volume there to justify ongoing platform investment, as long as it's built in a facility in common with other vehicles. I wonder if Ford can make a robust 7 passenger CUV on the same platform as the Fusion. I have my doubts; I think you would compromise so much in getting to that product that you may as well be working with a D3 modified to use some CD4 components (front suspension and engine cradle is what I'd SWAG). Edited October 5, 2011 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildosvt Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I know. Our idiot Vice President said that. Still trying to figure out what kind of drugs he is taking. You can't run 4 shifts. KCAP is adding a 2nd shift of 150 production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 KCAP is adding a 2nd shift of 150 production. Settles is quoted in many articles as saying that DTP will add another shift of production. Maybe his misspoke and meant KCAP, which we have known for months would add a shift after the Escape balances out. It could be fatigue since they bargained through the night. But since I read the whole contract and not just the "highlights", I will stick with the term moron to describe him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 5, 2011 Author Share Posted October 5, 2011 I wonder if Ford can make a robust 7 passenger CUV on the same platform as the Fusion. I have my doubts; I think you would compromise so much in getting to that product that you may as well be working with a D3 modified to use some CD4 components (front suspension and engine cradle is what I'd SWAG). Well they do have the Galaxy and S-Max already based on the EUCD. The EUCD already has nearly the same wheelbase as the D3 and gives up about 4 inches in width.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Well they do have the Galaxy and S-Max already based on the EUCD. Galaxy is comparable to, but smaller than the Explorer, and with NA engines, AWD, and stretched up to Explorer size, I don't think it would weigh much less than the Explorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Well they do have the Galaxy and S-Max already based on the EUCD. The EUCD already has nearly the same wheelbase as the D3 and gives up about 4 inches in width.... Shoulder room...S-Max is 60.4" ................Flex is 58.4".......Oh Snap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkisler Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) This PDF Contract Summary posted in the Detroit Free Press contains the best product descriptions I've yet seen on the proposed contract: Detroit Free Press Note mention of new small V6 Edited October 5, 2011 by Austin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 DTP is already on 3 shifts. There is nothing to add. maybe they are moving you from a 3 crew pattern to a 3 shift pattern. I suspect KCAP, which is now has 3 shifts on the Escape and 1 on the F150, will move shift over to the Truck side, when the Escape ceases production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 This PDF Contract Summary posted in the Detroit Free Press contains the best product descriptions I've yet seen on the proposed contract: Detroit Free Press Note mention of new small V6 http://www.uaw.org/sites/default/files/FORD-Hourly%20FINAL%2010-4.pdf The Small V6 will be installed at CEP1 and LEP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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