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Ford, United Auto Workers say they have tentative agreement on 4-year contract


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#21 OFFLINE   NLPRacing

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 02:22 PM

Moving 650/750 to OHAP makes a ton of sense. When you figure that Ford can't drop the E-Series cutaway, cab/chassis, or chassis only models, it suddenly makes sense that you'd relocate the 650/750


I wonder if that means F650/F750 will get a more upright E-Series type cab instead of using F-Series SD cab, hmmmm...

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 03:15 PM

One source said it's the Transit.


It is the transit

the 400 million dollar number to retool KCAP has been increased to 1 billion, that is more than ample to gut the entire plants and refurbish it to build such a large vehicle.

Ironically this was the product rumored to go to KCAP in the first place. I did not believe it because the level of investment was too small to meet the needs of the Transit.

1 billion is a huge commitment to this product.

Connect or Full Sized?

What about Ohio? I guess they'll still build E-250's and above there?


the cutaway is staying and the F650 and F750 are moving there to replace the E-series.

There AFAIK no product commited to KTP.

WATCH this space.

ford may be planning a major restructuring of their pickups,

A "Global van" to replace both the E-Series and the Transit would be the height of stupidity. Nothing like pretending the differences between Europe and the United States don't exist, just to make things look neat on paper.

 
 


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Posted 04 October 2011 - 03:27 PM

Doubt that there's a major restructure going on. You can't make the F150 a global vehicle, and the SD is probably within hooting distance of 2018 CAFE requirements already.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:04 PM

See, Children, a Union and a major US manufacturer went into a room and when they came out, there were more jobs IN the USA and AMERICAN workers were getting performance bonuses and BOTH sides are happy with it. This without heavy-handed legislation, or over-the-top tax breaks, or legislative neutering of Labour, or a strike. THIS is how it's supposed to work in this country.
President Barack Obama.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:11 PM

Louisville is supposed to get "an unnamed product" on top of the Escape. What might it be? Grand C-Max (after all) or S-Max?

Edited by Harley Lover, 04 October 2011 - 04:11 PM.


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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:21 PM

Lincoln variant

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:27 PM

yes, MOST excellent...which reminds me, wheres Pioneer lately...did he move to Mexico?.....



I don't come here as often because of all the negativity towards UAW workers.

And, as far as I can tell, this agreement will be close as to whether it passes or not.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:28 PM

LOL They took his smartphone away from him...



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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:30 PM

the 400 million dollar number to retool KCAP has been increased to 1 billion, that is more than ample to gut the entire plants and refurbish it to build such a large vehicle.



The number is high because of the Integrated Stamping Plant they want to build. That alone will be close to $500 Million.

EDIT: I don't know why you even speculate on why Ford does what where anymore. I've been telling you for years that Fusion overflow would go to AAI and you insisted that it would go to KCAP.

Case closed. You don't know jack.

Edited by Pioneer, 04 October 2011 - 04:31 PM.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:30 PM

I don't come here as often because of all the negativity towards UAW workers.

And, as far as I can tell, this agreement will be close as to whether it passes or not.

comeon, you got thicker skin than that, hope this all works out well for you guys......
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:35 PM

In other news...Ford is adding 2 shifts of F-150 production...one for each plant.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:51 PM

In other news...Ford is adding 2 shifts of F-150 production...one for each plant.



DTP is already on 3 shifts. There is nothing to add.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:54 PM

DTP is already on 3 shifts. There is nothing to add.


O...just was reading the freep article.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 05:10 PM

O...just was reading the freep article.



I know. Our idiot Vice President said that. Still trying to figure out what kind of drugs he is taking. You can't run 4 shifts.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 05:15 PM

You can't run 4 shifts.

6 hours apiece? Mandatory undertime?

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 05:19 PM

6 hours apiece? Mandatory undertime?


..slight shifting of the space/time continuum?

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 05:30 PM

The number is high because of the Integrated Stamping Plant they want to build. That alone will be close to $500 Million.

EDIT: I don't know why you even speculate on why Ford does what where anymore. I've been telling you for years that Fusion overflow would go to AAI and you insisted that it would go to KCAP.

Case closed. You don't know jack.


Thank you for your comments.

I don't know jack about anything these days.

Never mind who knew Ford would ante up $1 billion for KCAP in addition to $555 million to AAI for Fusion overflow.

BTW this is a discussion forum, not the Detroit Free press.

A "Global van" to replace both the E-Series and the Transit would be the height of stupidity. Nothing like pretending the differences between Europe and the United States don't exist, just to make things look neat on paper.

 
 


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Posted 04 October 2011 - 05:37 PM

Wow, 'morning all I've just woken up to this excellent news.

If I'm reading posts correctly:
- $16 billion investment in USA, $6.2 billion for design and development of new product..
- Personnel, up to 12,000 new jobs over the next 4 years
- Tier 1 wages to increase by several dollars an hour
- Sign on bonus, $6,000 for current workers, $5,000 for new starters.
- In lieu of COLA, workers will get $250/year bonus based on meeting quality KPIs
- Profitability bonuses, payment in November for 2011 is expected to be $3,700
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- Flat Rock to build Fusion and MKZ
- KCAP gets $1 billion upgrade (includes integrated stamping plant) to build full sized Transit
- F650 and F750 moving to OHAP
- Ford looking at increasing production of F150
- LAP to build new Escape and Lincoln variant


Have I missed anything significant that can be added to the list?

If all goes to plan and AAI becomes Fusion/MKZ plant, would Ford add CD4 Taurus/MKS there or just make changes at CAP?

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 05:43 PM

Reports have stated that Mustang will remain at AAI - including the next gen.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 06:08 PM

would Ford add CD4 Taurus/MKS there or just make changes at CAP?

I don't think so. Look at the volumes that Ford needed on the Fusion/MKZ before they added production.

The old Ford inserted the Mustang at Edison and San Jose, based on less than one year's sales. They pulled it from both of those facilities about 5 years later. It may be disingenuous on my part to cite something Ford did in the 60s as a counter example, but in many important ways, I don't think Ford's production mindset changed much between that time and the mid 00s.

Edited by RichardJensen, 04 October 2011 - 06:09 PM.

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