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#61 OFFLINE   Edstock

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 05:11 PM

As of right now we have 10 Foci, 5 Tauruses, and 2 Fiestas. We're a big dealer. The salesmen are pissed.

What would a "normal" inventory be? :)

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#62 OFFLINE   theDuff

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 09:27 AM

What would a "normal" inventory be? :)


Just talked to our business manager. On his way to that dealer show in Michigan. Lucky bastard.

He said it was typical to have between 30 and 40 of the Focus, 10 Tauruses, and 2 or 3 Fiestas.

The Focus is rolling in. I see them in the shop for their PDI pretty regularly. They just sell as soon as they hit the lot!

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 11:43 AM

What would a "normal" inventory be? :)


I would say about a 50 day inventory would be nice. I was by Bill Brown Ford today in Livonia, MI just down street from Livonia Trans, and they had at least 70 new Focuses in inventory and at least another 10 being prepped for customer pickup. Only had three Fiestas though. So it looks like Ford is finally starting to ship the Focus in decent numbers. That is most new Focuses I have ever seen at Bill Brown. Every color was there and about 50% hatch and 50% sedan. My favorite color is the yellow blaze, then candy apple red, and finally blue metallic. Race red doesn't appeal to me. As for fit and finish problems, I noticed the hood gaps were all over the place and also hood depth with side fenders was all over the place, not even in most cases. Some were sunken in way too much. However, I would think that during Job 2 that should improve significantly. And I doubt if dealer is going to deal with those fit and finish problem as far as the hood goes. They may shim it a little if you press them, but that will be it. No first year new vehicle for me.

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 11:50 AM

Just talked to our business manager. On his way to that dealer show in Michigan. Lucky bastard.

He said it was typical to have between 30 and 40 of the Focus, 10 Tauruses, and 2 or 3 Fiestas.

The Focus is rolling in. I see them in the shop for their PDI pretty regularly. They just sell as soon as they hit the lot!



Yep, the Fiesta is still hard to find as far as any selection on lot goes. Few and far between. Ford must not be shipping many to the states. You have the feeling Ford could sell many more if the dealers had a good selection. I think many give up and buy a Fusion I4 instead or go to the competition. At least Ford is finally shipping the Focus in bigger numbers and its fuel mileage is almost as good as the Fiesta with more room, but pricier. Fiesta buyers have to be patient.

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 06:24 PM

Yep, the Fiesta is still hard to find as far as any selection on lot goes. Few and far between. Ford must not be shipping many to the states. You have the feeling Ford could sell many more if the dealers had a good selection. I think many give up and buy a Fusion I4 instead or go to the competition. At least Ford is finally shipping the Focus in bigger numbers and its fuel mileage is almost as good as the Fiesta with more room, but pricier. Fiesta buyers have to be patient.

At least short supply keeps incentives low or non existent, allowing Ford to charge higher ATP which adds to profit.....

Edited by jpd80, 06 October 2011 - 06:26 PM.


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Posted 06 October 2011 - 06:53 PM

At least short supply keeps incentives low or non existent, allowing Ford to charge higher ATP which adds to profit.....

As long as that's not markup, it's a good thing.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 07:06 PM

Can anyone find out what the sales mix was for the Fiesta and Focus, in terms of sedan and hatchback? I'm curious to know whether there's still enough hatchback momentum in the sales.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 07:15 PM

As long as that's not markup, it's a good thing.

Kind of, when vehicles are supplied with options grouped into packs but that also adds up to well appointed vehicles.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 10:36 PM

whats stang #'s??????/ (too lazy to look)

yep we just bought a ranger (few weeks left before delivery..vista blue extended cabby)..why..cheap and very good mpg

f150 is heavily discounted here..i had close to $10 grand off by exiting my ram and the sales slut walking up--damn f150 is nice..moonroof rocks

crown vic is being hoarded everywhere..small town with may be 1800 souls north of me has the crown vic state bid program for squad car..i bet there are over 1000 crown vics sitting in that town right now...i seen 2 large vacant lots (and the elevator lot) and the dealers lot packed with crown vics--its wall to wall

international harvestor has several new combines but no scouts..im still pissed (1980 still pisses me off)

been seeing quite a few new explores..me kinda likes the new suv/van look

stepped into the ural dealer today..yes yes damn fine ruskie motorcycle...side car and retro look rocks..me wants

dodge has finally gotten smart and added extended cab to the ram express..i want but the f150 moonroof is scintilating and sexy much like the rack on ann margaret...torn at this point

vert camaros out running around here

challenger is few and far between

damn lotta new charges here

very very few small fords ive seen..lime green sucker in town i see..could care less as the car looks like a pokemon mobile

hodaka dealer is still closed..(damn shell oil company tanked on my combat wombat)..glad i still gotta bunch of em

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Edited by snooter, 07 October 2011 - 10:36 PM.


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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:36 PM

whats stang #'s??????/ (too lazy to look)

Mustang 5,054
Camaro 6,994

yep we just bought a ranger (few weeks left before delivery..vista blue extended cabby)..why..cheap and very good mpg

f150 is heavily discounted here..i had close to $10 grand off by exiting my ram and the sales slut walking up--damn f150 is nice..moonroof rocks

Well done on both accounts..

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 12:28 AM

Mustang 5,054
Camaro 6,994

Well done on both accounts..


60K a year..well not bad but from these figures which have me thinks not been good for some time---retro has to go..its time to move on...

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 04:40 AM

More like in hard times, people choose more practical vehicles...
Mustang is a kind of barometer for the economy, it will come back....

Edited by jpd80, 08 October 2011 - 04:41 AM.


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Posted 08 October 2011 - 11:10 AM

Kind of, when vehicles are supplied with options grouped into packs but that also adds up to well appointed vehicles.

By "markup," I mean "dealer adjustments." When the G8 came out years ago, the nearest Pontiac dealer to me had added $3K to the sticker price. That's what I say is bad.

But you're right... if the dealers are selling well-equipped vehicles, that money goes to Ford's bottom line and it's a good thing.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 11:32 AM

I'd imagine there is alot of competition between the Focus and 2011 Fusions.

Focus inventories is the best I have ever seen right now. my dealer has over 50 of them in stock compared to 15 few months ago.
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Posted 08 October 2011 - 12:26 PM

By "markup," I mean "dealer adjustments." When the G8 came out years ago, the nearest Pontiac dealer to me had added $3K to the sticker price. That's what I say is bad.

But you're right... if the dealers are selling well-equipped vehicles, that money goes to Ford's bottom line and it's a good thing.


Funny you mentioned G8, that dealer mark up turned into close to $5,000 discounts near the end...

Dealer does well out of selling optioned up and higher series vehicles at near full retail,
not needing incentives or dealer discounts to shift slow moving stock means that
Ford and its dealers both do well, even with less sales .

^^^^There's that philosophy at work again...:)

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 04:29 PM

I'd imagine there is alot of competition between the Focus and 2011 Fusions.

Focus inventories is the best I have ever seen right now. my dealer has over 50 of them in stock compared to 15 few months ago.


The competition is definitely there. I did the math when I optioned out my car and realized I could have gotten a larger Fusion, albeit with a few less toys. Also, some are still attracted by the Escape in my area, and they just can't keep the Escape in stock.

I took a look at my dealer's inventory yesterday. Some of the inventory had moved, but there are some which haven't. The ones that seem to languish on their lot are the ones that are mildly equipped. At least there were two people who purchased the SEL manual hatchbacks :)

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 11:44 AM

Chicago suburban dealers now have more Focuses on the lots. Al Piemonte Ford has +/- 25 and even posts 10% discounted prices, Golf Mill Ford has many, also. Inventory seems to be getting to "normal".

"... Ford has misjudged the market a bit. People are starting to look at the Cruze and Elantra as mid-size car replacements, but the Focus is too small..." Waaa WahhhhhAaa!

Focus "isn't selling since it's too small" my a$$! If so, why are dealers selling them off the trucks? Or so many back orders? Better to sell fewer cars for more profits, not dump with rebates or into car rental fleets. Helps resale value, too. Hyundais are now fleet queens, and there will be an over supply of used Elantras, thus retail buyers will get poor trade ins. BTW, Cruze is a nerd-mobile, like the Corolla.

Edited by 630land, 11 October 2011 - 11:49 AM.

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