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Ok - I must be an outlier, but I'm looking for a small to midsize 4 door pickup. Australia has great little things they call "Utes", Aussie for "Utility" I suppose. Anyway - I've heard the counter arguments - they're not much cheaper and don't get much better fuel economy - .... so how about we work on improving that? I just need to haul bicycles, the odd DIY project materials, mulch now and then etc. I just don't need or want a monster truck...nor the mini-mouse things that we saw decades ago where a box was welded onto the back of a rabbit. Ford makes an awesome riding truck. My Ranger rides better than a mini-van and worlds better than the bucking bronco Tacoma. They only serious offering that I know of is the Nissan Frontier....but Ford could make a better truck. Is anything coming?

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+1 I do not want a vehicle the size of the F150. Whether it has an eco-boost for extra MPGs is irrelevant, it's too big. If you can get that mileage out of a large truck, one the size of a Sport Trac (Frontier, Tacoma, etc) ought to enable you to do even better. A four door truck with a modern interior would be nice. Make a mini-Raptor version of it too and it will sell.

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Guess you're right. Hard to believe I've owned a 65 Mustang, 69 Mustang, Ranger, Windstar, 02 Sport Trac, and an 08 Sport Trac and now I don't see anything with a Blue Oval that interests me. Maybe an Explorer... Probably someone's small truck though (Tacoma or maybe Frontier).

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Guess you're right. Hard to believe I've owned a 65 Mustang, 69 Mustang, Ranger, Windstar, 02 Sport Trac, and an 08 Sport Trac and now I don't see anything with a Blue Oval that interests me. Maybe an Explorer... Probably someone's small truck though (Tacoma or maybe Frontier).

I've looked at the Tacoma, and found it to leaves me cold. The double-cabs are jacked up as much as full-sizes, and the interior seems cheap. And after my wife's Highlander experience, I've sworn off Toyotas for awhile, anyway. The Frontier is the one I'd buy today, or I'd consider an F-150, but I'd have to budget to get it lowered (not slammed), so I'd be limiting myself. I also found it distressing that you can't get the STX trim in an F150 with the EB V6 (even though you can get it in an XL!).

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I've looked at the Tacoma, and found it to leaves me cold. The double-cabs are jacked up as much as full-sizes, and the interior seems cheap. And after my wife's Highlander experience, I've sworn off Toyotas for awhile, anyway. The Frontier is the one I'd buy today, or I'd consider an F-150, but I'd have to budget to get it lowered (not slammed), so I'd be limiting myself. I also found it distressing that you can't get the STX trim in an F150 with the EB V6 (even though you can get it in an XL!).

 

Problem with the XL is that by the time you add all the options the competition includes as standard equipment (power windows, limited slip, spray-in bedliner, hitch), it becomes a very expensive base trim truck.

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I too, would like a truck smaller than the F-150, but the Tacomas and Frontiers can't fit a sheet of plywood between the wheel house. I recently sold a T100 4WD work truck that I kept around specifically because it was useful, yet would still fit in a parking space even with a box as large as the F-150. Yes, it was underpowered, and yes it had lousy brakes, but it fit, and advancing technology has cured a lot of ills. The sad thing is that today's Tacoma is very nearly dimensionally identical to the old T100, yet is less useful as a truck. And I was so looking forward to a Ranger replacement in the US...

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Well, we might be 3 of a kind, I like small pick ups for several reasons, but to be honest, I want an even smaller size, like the Mexican Courier (focus based)

It is a small truck, but loads 1500#, seats two, and gives you about 45 MPG, in Mexico those sell for $13,000 (yes, 13 american thousands).

 

Bring me one I can buy brand new, and finance, here, and I will client number 1

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Well, we might be 3 of a kind, I like small pick ups for several reasons, but to be honest, I want an even smaller size, like the Mexican Courier (focus based)

It is a small truck, but loads 1500#, seats two, and gives you about 45 MPG, in Mexico those sell for $13,000 (yes, 13 american thousands).

 

Bring me one I can buy brand new, and finance, here, and I will client number 1

 

You're onto something there. This would be small enough that it couldn't possibly hurt F150 sales, and fill a void left by the Ranger being discontinued. Offer it with the 1.0 Ecoboost getting 50 MPG and watch sales top 100,000 a year. This would be a great local delivery vehicle for small businesses. Price it at $15,000, and make the 1.0 Ecoboost standard. The Transit connect just doesn't get enough MPG for a light local delivery vehicle.

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You're onto something there. This would be small enough that it couldn't possibly hurt F150 sales, and fill a void left by the Ranger being discontinued. Offer it with the 1.0 Ecoboost getting 50 MPG and watch sales top 100,000 a year. This would be a great local delivery vehicle for small businesses. Price it at $15,000, and make the 1.0 Ecoboost standard. The Transit connect just doesn't get enough MPG for a light local delivery vehicle.

 

 

Lol......

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Fast enough to merge into 70mph interstate traffic without getting creamed by a semi.

 

There isn't a car made in the last 30 years that can't merge into traffic without getting creamed. I just don't understand people that complain about a vehicle's 0-60 speed not being fast enough to merge. I mean really, how fast do you think a semi is 0-60? And they've got 70' of truck to merge into traffic!

 

My truck pulling my fifth wheel is much slower than 12 sec 0-60 (hell, I don't even use half the pedal), and I don't recall ever being creamed by anything. I know that they have the right-of-way, and I have to adjust accordingly.

 

If you can't merge, it's not the car's fault.

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I have a friend who runs a courier company and they run s10s till they drop dead. He told me he is pinning his hopes on the new Gm mid size truck for the future. When I ask him about the transit connect he said no *&^$&*( chance he would buy one but would look for a decent used Ranger. The transit is not going to replace the Ranger in any shape or form. The sold 32K units last year and at least it beat out the Flex.

 

I hate to say it but I saw a transit connect the other day with ladder racks and weighted down and man you could hear that 4 banger wine trying to pull a hill. The EB and 6 speed may solve a lot of those problems but it just seems like an odd product to me.

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it just seems like an odd product to me.

 

It is an odd product. It's a niche product intended for people who do a lot of deliveries in the city. They're more concerned about fuel mileage than 0-60 times. The Transit will fill the gap for those who want more power or payload capacity.

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Transit Connect based pick up is the way to go. Right size, a good Ranger replacement. 2 or 4 door, plenty of engines available. All the parts to make it are already in Ford 'basket'. I would buy a 2 door, AWD if it happens, diesel would be amazing!

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Toyota will be discontinuing the single cab compact trucks. It seems that when even Toyota is shying away from the compact truck market that it isn't likely that Ford will come back with one any time soon.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything. What incentive does Toyota have to stay in that segment when they couldn't gain a major foothold after the Ranger got the axe, then GM took a whole year off without producing and selling the canyorado twins? If they can't sell it, why build it?

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