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#1 ONLINE   mettech

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 12:52 PM

Jut took our car in to the shop after a long vacation drive.

Car has 16.5K miles.
Transmission is slipping in all gears if accelerated hard.Posted Image

Does anyone know of any issues with the 6-speed trans?
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Posted 05 April 2010 - 01:30 PM

Jut took our car in to the shop after a long vacation drive.

Car has 16.5K miles.
Transmission is slipping in all gears if accelerated hard.Posted Image

Does anyone know of any issues with the 6-speed trans?


Yes, the 6f35 trans that is in the 2010 4cyl fusions and also in the Escapes have been giving problems. From what Ford has said, the valve body has a valve that is hanging up in its bore, causing two clutches to be engaged at the same time. I bet they will find O/D and direct clutches burned up and need to replace the valve body.

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 02:36 PM

mettech, here's some detail on the issue that fordtech1 describes. Check with your service advisor to determine if this is applicable to your Fusion.

3279 - 6F35 TRANSMISSION - COULD HAVE DTC P0733, P0735 AND EXHIBITING BURNT FLUID, SLIPPING, FAILED OVERDRIVE CLUTCH AND/OR DIRECT CLUTCH

SOME 2009-2010 ESCAPE, MARINER BUILT ON OR BEFORE 2/26/2010 AND 2010 FUSION, MILAN VEHICLES BUILT ON OR BEFORE 3/4/2010 EQUIPPED WITH 6F35 TRANSMISSION AND A TRANSMISSION BUILT ON OR BEFORE 2/22/2010 COULD HAVE DTC P0733, P0735 AND MAY EXHIBIT BURNT FLUID, SLIPPING, FAILED OVERDRIVE CLUTCH AND/OR DIRECT CLUTCH. THIS MAY BE CAUSED BY VALVE BODY BORE WEAR AT THE SOLENOID PRESSURE REGULATOR VALVE. TO REPAIR A TRANSMISSION THAT HAS THE OVERDRIVE OR DIRECT CLUTCH FAILED REFER TO WORK SHOP MANUAL (WSM) SECTION 307-01 AND REPLACE THE VALVE BODY WITH PART NUMBER 9L8Z-7A100-C.

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 04:00 PM

mettech, here's some detail on the issue that fordtech1 describes. Check with your service advisor to determine if this is applicable to your Fusion.

3279 - 6F35 TRANSMISSION - COULD HAVE DTC P0733, P0735 AND EXHIBITING BURNT FLUID, SLIPPING, FAILED OVERDRIVE CLUTCH AND/OR DIRECT CLUTCH

SOME 2009-2010 ESCAPE, MARINER BUILT ON OR BEFORE 2/26/2010 AND 2010 FUSION, MILAN VEHICLES BUILT ON OR BEFORE 3/4/2010 EQUIPPED WITH 6F35 TRANSMISSION AND A TRANSMISSION BUILT ON OR BEFORE 2/22/2010 COULD HAVE DTC P0733, P0735 AND MAY EXHIBIT BURNT FLUID, SLIPPING, FAILED OVERDRIVE CLUTCH AND/OR DIRECT CLUTCH. THIS MAY BE CAUSED BY VALVE BODY BORE WEAR AT THE SOLENOID PRESSURE REGULATOR VALVE. TO REPAIR A TRANSMISSION THAT HAS THE OVERDRIVE OR DIRECT CLUTCH FAILED REFER TO WORK SHOP MANUAL (WSM) SECTION 307-01 AND REPLACE THE VALVE BODY WITH PART NUMBER 9L8Z-7A100-C.



So is this a TSB that a dealer will fix even if the problem doesn't currently exist? Seems like changing the valve body is a whole lot cheaper than changing clutches...

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 04:50 PM

So is this a TSB that a dealer will fix even if the problem doesn't currently exist? Seems like changing the valve body is a whole lot cheaper than changing clutches...

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Hi SparcEE. :D No, that is not the case. Only a minority of vehicles will experience valve body failure, therefore Ford will not automatically replace them all.

Not to bore you with a lot of detail, but essentially it is not cheaper to incur the labor costs of replacing good valve bodies in all vehicles, as opposed to simply replacing the parts that fail in the much smaller minority of real world cases. In reality, if it made good business sense and was cheaper, that is what Ford (and every other automaker) would do. But it does not make good business sense and is more expensive to "fix" 100 out of 100 perfectly operating transmissions just to avoid the 6 out of 100 (just a guesstimate) valve bodies that will go bad.

Also, it is not reasonable to inconvenience 100 out of 100 owners of the affected models, when only a small minority will ever experience the problem. Therefore, at least for now the TSB will only apply to vehicles that exhibit symptoms of valve body failure (i.e. burnt fluid, slipping, failed overdrive clutch and/or direct clutch etc.).

Hope this information helps.

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 08:03 PM

Hi SparcEE. :D No, that is not the case. Only a minority of vehicles will experience valve body failure, therefore Ford will not automatically replace them all.

Not to bore you with a lot of detail, but essentially it is not cheaper to incur the labor costs of replacing good valve bodies in all vehicles, as opposed to simply replacing the parts that fail in the much smaller minority of real world cases. In reality, if it made good business sense and was cheaper, that is what Ford (and every other automaker) would do. But it does not make good business sense and is more expensive to "fix" 100 out of 100 perfectly operating transmissions just to avoid the 6 out of 100 (just a guesstimate) valve bodies that will go bad.

Also, it is not reasonable to inconvenience 100 out of 100 owners of the affected models, when only a small minority will ever experience the problem. Therefore, at least for now the TSB will only apply to vehicles that exhibit symptoms of valve body failure (i.e. burnt fluid, slipping, failed overdrive clutch and/or direct clutch etc.).

Hope this information helps.

Good luck. :beerchug:



Thanks much...I just got mine 2 weeks ago and loving everything about it.

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 07:42 AM

So is this a TSB that a dealer will fix even if the problem doesn't currently exist? Seems like changing the valve body is a whole lot cheaper than changing clutches... SparcEE

Manufacture date of mine is 9/5/09. The dealership said no codes were found, and after a test drive, unable to find anything wrong. Humm..

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 07:08 AM

The issue started after a long interstate trip on Easter Sunday.

First noticed an issue when passing a truck. When the throttle was open 3/4, the car would shift quickly back and forth between the 4-5 gear. When I floored the pedal, it appeared to shift correctly.

Next issue was when I pulled in for gas. Turning into the station, the car stumbled when downshifting and then slipped when up shifting 2-3.

I finished the trip under light throttle and the car shifted OK.

Took the car in to the dealership at home on Monday driving moderate speed. Car shifting was normally. No codes found and they were unable to duplicate the issue.

On Tues, I picked up the car and drove 20 miles on interstate. Issue reappeared. Took car back for the dealership to test drive. During the test drive, car slipped in 1-2-3 gear, engine red line to 7K RPM, and transmission would bang into the next gear and then would slip again.

Waiting to see what happens next.



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Posted 09 April 2010 - 10:46 AM

Yes, the 6f35 trans that is in the 2010 4cyl fusions and also in the Escapes have been giving problems. From what Ford has said, the valve body has a valve that is hanging up in its bore, causing two clutches to be engaged at the same time. I bet they will find O/D and direct clutches burned up and need to replace the valve body.


Is it only the 4cyl Fusions?

Isn't the 6F35 the same tranny on all '10 Fusions even with the 3.0 and 3.5 V6's?

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 12:14 PM

Is it only the 4cyl Fusions?

Isn't the 6F35 the same tranny on all '10 Fusions even with the 3.0 and 3.5 V6's?


Sounds like from this excerpt from the Ford Media site that they all use the same transmission, just tweaked for the specific engine.

Six-speed transmissions improve performance, drivability

The new pairing of Fusion’s engines with the 6F35-Mid automatic transmission further drives the mid-size sedan’s competitive advantage, especially when compared with the outgoing five-speed gearbox that was offered with Fusion’s I-4 models. A five-speed transmission is still the gearbox of choice for the 2.0-liter varieties offered on segment contenders Toyota Camry and Honda Accord.

When the six-speed transmission is paired with the 2.5-liter engine, for example, the Fusion powerpack delivers a 10 percent improvement in fuel efficiency along with increased power. The 3.0-liter configurations increase efficiency by 4 to 6 percent. The engine and transmission improvements combined with other vehicle systems improvements help deliver at least a 17 percent improvement on the base 2.5-liter model and approximately 10 percent on 3.0-liter equipped models.

The Ford transmission team made several specific modifications to the 6F35-Mid transmission to optimize its performance for Fusion, including using different final drive ratios for the 2.5-liter and 3.0-liter, developing an improved converter lock-up for lower operating temperatures and efficiency, recalibrating the converter clutch to accommodate a fuel-saving aggressive deceleration fuel shut-off system as well as other tweaks to diminish parasitic losses.

A SelectShift function also was added to the 3.0-liter application in response to customer requests, giving drivers the option of a fun-to-shift manual experience.



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Posted 09 April 2010 - 12:24 PM

Is it only the 4cyl Fusions?

Isn't the 6F35 the same tranny on all '10 Fusions even with the 3.0 and 3.5 V6's?


The 2.5 and 3.0 use the 6F35.
The 3.5 use the Aisin AWF21.
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Posted 09 April 2010 - 12:29 PM

Is it only the 4cyl Fusions?

Isn't the 6F35 the same tranny on all '10 Fusions even with the 3.0 and 3.5 V6's?


Only in 4cyl Fusions and 4cyl and 6 cyl escapes have the 6F35 trans. The 3.0 & 3.5 in Fusion uses Aisin trans.

I haven't seen and 3.0 with the 6F35 in Fusions. Nor have we had any failures in 6cyl Fusions.

Several Escapes have had failures 4 & 6 Cyl

Look on your door certification label. If under the TR the codes are as follows:
6–Speed Manual Transmission (G6M) 6
6–Speed Automatic Transmission (6F35) W
6–Speed Automatic Transmission (Aisin F21) B

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 01:53 PM

Only in 4cyl Fusions and 4cyl and 6 cyl escapes have the 6F35 trans. The 3.0 & 3.5 in Fusion uses Aisin trans.

I haven't seen and 3.0 with the 6F35 in Fusions. Nor have we had any failures in 6cyl Fusions.

Several Escapes have had failures 4 & 6 Cyl

Look on your door certification label. If under the TR the codes are as follows:
6–Speed Manual Transmission (G6M) 6
6–Speed Automatic Transmission (6F35) W
6–Speed Automatic Transmission (Aisin F21) B


I have confirmed my 2010 Fusion with 3.0l V6 has the 6F35 Tranny.

My vehicle was built in 12/09.

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 02:16 PM

I have confirmed my 2010 Fusion with 3.0l V6 has the 6F35 Tranny.

My vehicle was built in 12/09.


Is yours select shift?

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 02:53 PM

Is yours select shift?


Yes it is.

Does that mean it is less likely to have problems?

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 04:04 PM

Yes it is.

Does that mean it is less likely to have problems?


We haven't seen any issues with 6cyl fusions yet. From what I am told, the issue for slipping stems from the valve body in the trans. I am sure the valve body in the 6F35 is different with select shift vs standard. I am going to take a guess and say you are probably not going to have the same issues the 4cylinder 6F's have. Unless someone on has other experiences to say otherwise.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 07:10 AM

Where are the 6–Speed Automatic Transmission (6F35) W and 6–Speed Automatic Transmission (Aisin F21) B made?

I was just informed that Ford wants to do a flash on the trans before they tear it apart.Posted Image

I was also told that another TSB is going to be issued. A recall may be forthcoming.Posted Image



UPDATE.... Flash did not work.. Ford is sending a trans rebuild kit... not sure what that includes... may take one or two weeks to get... they appear to be on back order.Posted Image

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 01:16 PM

Where are the 6–Speed Automatic Transmission (6F35) W and 6–Speed Automatic Transmission (Aisin F21) B made?

6F: Sterling Heights (Michigan), USA
Aisin AW F21: Aichi Prefecture, Japan
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Posted 22 April 2010 - 02:10 PM

6F: Sterling Heights (Michigan), USA
Aisin AW F21: Aichi Prefecture, Japan



Hummmm...Posted Image

Rumor has it now that Ford will or Ford has released a Customer Satisfaction Program for the USA made Fusion transmision. This is what was posted on another site:

"Ford Motor Company is taking this issue VERY seriously.
Please be patient.

Ford has released a Customer Satisfaction Program. Owners of affected vehicles will be receiving letters soon with all the facts on this problem with the transaxle in the 2010 Fusion and 2009/2010 Escape built before 3/8/2010.

The cause of the failure which is noted in the letter you receive, is the transmission valve body. Per the program, If your vehicle has less then 7000 miles, your PCM (computer) is recalibrated. This calibration change updates the control of a solenoid in the valve body which regulates/controls a specific valve that is not operating correctly.

If you vehicle has over 7000 miles, immediately after the calibration update the dealership's transmission technician will perform a specific load test to verify the condition of the transmission. There is zero-tolerance for this test. The result is either "0" slippage or "more then 0" slippage. If there is "0" slippage, the vehicle's transmission is released.

If the transaxle fails the load test with (a reading above 0), under the program the transmission technician will remove and teardown the transaxle for repair. If during the teardown the technican finds ANY damage beyond a specific parts list, the dealership management team will call Ford Engineering for further action.

The affected Vehicle Identification List was activated in Ford's system April 19 2010. Feel free to call your dealership with your VIN and find out if your vehicle is in the program if you are close to 7000 miles.

However long the line may end up, you may well want to be at the front of it.

Again, Ford Motor Company is taking this issue very seriously. There has been a delay in accurate information due to Ford Engineering working to the root of the failure and they have confidence in the program.

If your valve body was already replaced as part of a previous repair before 3/31/2010, you still need to go in for the software update under the program. "

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 09:50 AM

Thanks Mettech...called the dealer and my VIN is on the list for PCM reflash. Also found out there is a recall on the seat recliner mechanisms.

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