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I really fail to understand this. Being told that someone is gay isn't going to do anyone any harm. If someone is discriminated against someone on the basis of sexual orientation, it should be treated the same as someone being discriminated against on the basis of race.

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No.

 

However, Doctors will be sued and fired for not performing abortions, giving fertility drugs to gays, etc.

 

I say unfair to both. Unfortunatly the gays only see it as unfair for one side.

 

Peace and Blessings

 

What do abortions and fertility drugs have to do with gays? Why would a doctor be letting their beliefs affect their practice? As for your other post, churches are already protected by the constitution.

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I really fail to understand this. Being told that someone is gay isn't going to do anyone any harm. If someone is discriminated against someone on the basis of sexual orientation, it should be treated the same as someone being discriminated against on the basis of race.

What is the purpose of telling someone (not a friend, mind you) you're gay, unless you're attempting to differentiate yourself. And if you differentiate yourself, aren't you inviting others to treat you differently?

 

I'd bet most blacks would not find sexual orientation and race the same, at all. There may be a biological basis for homosexuality, but it would likely be an abnormality (Yes, I acknowledge some may consider that offensive, but I can't think of how it could be otherwise)

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What do abortions and fertility drugs have to do with gays? Why would a doctor be letting their beliefs affect their practice? As for your other post, churches are already protected by the constitution.

 

What constitution?

 

Lesbians want fertility drugs. CA Supreme Court already ruled a Doctor has no choice but to prescribe.

 

Perhaps you did not know. Some doctors, nurses, etc. will not perform abortions. But Obama is going to get rid of that too. Many that would not perform these things do so because they are Christians. But now they will be fired, closed down, etc.

 

Check out Australia's finally revoked law on hate speech or the like and how the Muslims used it as a hammer over Christian churches in Australia for years. The hard line Mohammedans hate Christians. It is not going to be appreciably different.

 

Now it is coming here.

 

Its not about Gay rights. Its about anti Christianity.

 

Peace and Blessings

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What is the purpose of telling someone (not a friend, mind you) you're gay, unless you're attempting to differentiate yourself. And if you differentiate yourself, aren't you inviting others to treat you differently?

 

I'd bet most blacks would not find sexual orientation and race the same, at all. There may be a biological basis for homosexuality, but it would likely be an abnormality (Yes, I acknowledge some may consider that offensive, but I can't think of how it could be otherwise)

 

The APA (American Psychological Association) has now gone away from homosexuality being a genetic issue to it now being a Bio-Sycho-Social cause. They can find no gay gene.

 

Peace and Blessings

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The APA (American Psychological Association) has now gone away from homosexuality being a genetic issue to it now being a Bio-Sycho-Social cause. They can find no gay gene.

 

Peace and Blessings

It really doesn't matter what the origin. People shouldn't be mistreated for being gay, or black, or Canadian, or Christian, or anything else.

 

Tolerance and acceptance aren't the same thing.

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The APA (American Psychological Association) has now gone away from homosexuality being a genetic issue to it now being a Bio-Sycho-Social cause. They can find no gay gene.

 

Peace and Blessings

 

 

Well, since psychologists are not geneticists, that isn't surprising, but it really is irrelevant.

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Its not about Gay rights. Its about anti Christianity.

 

No, it isn't. The state shouldn't govern based on religious beliefs. Similarly, the state should stay out of religion. I also find it interesting that you think a christian would be incapable of accepting gay marriage. There are many who have no problem.

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That's true, but I would hope that one day we can all come to accept our differences and not just tolerate them.

So long as human beings are capable of fallibility, I don't think that day will come. Not that I'm a pessimist, but we humans (by our nature) aren't capable of perfection. We are incomplete beings.

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That is what it is all about. It is all about removing any rights that others have such as:

 

Not dispensing fertility drugs to gay couples.

If you are a Pharmacist employed by a drug store serving the public you do not have the right to discriminate against gays any more than you can choose not to dispense fertility drugs to Blacks, Jews, Muslims or Christians.

 

Not allowing gay relationships in christian schools.

Christian schools do have the right to limit enrollment to those who comply with their religious principles, so long as they do not accept tax dollars. See Grove City College or Liberty University

 

Suing bible publishers.

This is just stupid. I can't see any chance that any suit against a Bible publisher could ever succeed. Bible publishers have First Amendment rights just like pornographers. You can file a lawsuit against anyone for anything, but that doesn't mean you can survive Summary Judgment. Any such suit should be dismissed and the Plaintiff should face sanctions. Neither Liberals nor Conservatives have the right not to be offended.

 

Doctors not performing abortions, etc.

The conscience exception will remain and Obama supports allowing doctors refuse to perform abortions. See his Notre Dame speech.

 

Who a church will or will not marry.

Again, no one has the right to membership in any particular church. No Judge has the authority to order a church to marry anyone pursuant to the First Amendment. No such suit would ever be successful.

 

I would not sue to be allowed to marry in a synagogue. But Churches will be sued for not allowing gay weddings to be done on their property or if they refuse to marry a gay couple.

 

Most of it is already happening.

Really? How about some examples of cases that were filed or successful.

 

I am just wondering what will happen when they go after the Muslims? But I don't think they will do that very much.

 

Peace and Blessings

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It really doesn't matter what the origin. People shouldn't be mistreated for being gay, or black, or Canadian, or Christian, or anything else.

 

Tolerance and acceptance aren't the same thing.

 

Amen. Personally, I do my very best not to treat people a particular way simply because of things like that. I don't particularly consider it my business if someone is Gay. However, some must advertise it.

 

Peace and Blessings

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I really feel sorry for the gay community. Its is very difficult life. The level of depression, drug use, alcoholism, STD's, etc. is just so high compared to the general population. Its a dangerous and destructive life style. Self medicating trying to cover up what evils happened to them in life. The numbers of gays that were children of physical, emotional, or sexual abuse or rape victims and is likely an extremely sickening large percentage. Yet, sex offenders are generally not prosecuted, jailed, and kept off the streets.

 

Its a problem that no one really seems to want to put an end to as much as we can. Children have no rights. But the trees and rivers and lakes do... :(

 

Peace and Blessings

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And if they do, it then becomes controversial? If that's the case, doesn't that show the need for protection from discrimination? Should someone be able to be fired because their gay?

 

 

I don't agree with homosexuals and lesbians being afforded the same status as a marriage between a man and women. sorry, I wasn't raised that way. But there is an up side to this, if the prop 8 in over turned and the homo/les marriages are allowed we will soon see where the polygamists will also want fair and equal standing in the eyes of the people and law.

 

hell I'm all for that, I could use an extra wife. The wife might not like but hey if it's good for some it should be good for all.

 

Anybody thought about marrying their pet?? its all down the road of diversity and liberalism.

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The majority vote shouldn't awlays matter either.

then why even vote in the first place, or have a valid opinion...just be a follower and let those that yell and scream create your lifes direction....screw democracy.

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soon see where the polygamists will also want fair and equal standing in the eyes of the people and law.

 

hell I'm all for that, I could use an extra wife. The wife might not like but hey if it's good for some it should be good for all.

 

Anybody thought about marrying their pet?? its all down the road of diversity and liberalism.

 

 

Aside from poligamy, the rest of the slippery slope just won't happen. You cannot enter into a contract with an animal. Polygamy may create problems down the road, as it is here right now (because equal protection and freedom of religion are butting heads, it has very little to do with gay marriage), but if it is found that our laws are discrimintory in this regard, maybe we are wrong.

 

Sorry, I have no spell checker at work.

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Aside from poligamy, the rest of the slippery slope just won't happen. You cannot enter into a contract with an animal. Polygamy may create problems down the road, as it is here right now (because equal protection and freedom of religion are butting heads, it has very little to do with gay marriage), but if it is found that our laws are discrimintory in this regard, maybe we are wrong.

 

Sorry, I have no spell checker at work.

 

yes I agree for the most part is was sarcasm, but the poligamists would have a good case in court. If the gates are opened then what fair or unfair now becomes subjective.

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