BlackHorse Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 :happy feet: :happy feet: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :banvictory: :party2: The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Americans have a right to own guns for self-defense and hunting, the justices' first major pronouncement on gun rights in U.S. history. The court's 5-4 ruling struck down the District of Columbia's 32-year-old ban on handguns as incompatible with gun rights under the Second Amendment. The decision went further than even the Bush administration wanted, but probably leaves most firearms laws intact. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,372041,00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 only an idiot could see that as a good thing .... Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 only an idiot could see that as a good thing .... Igor LMAO, yeah ok whatever chump cake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wescoent Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 The people make a tiny gain in getting our freedom back... Let's hope the train keeps rolling on restoring individual rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 You all do not live in DC do you - you have no idea how many people just hand over guns to criminals who then go and shoot innocent kids ... idiots from "outside' will keep fucking around with the best efforts of strained city PD's to limit useless fatalities by illegally owned guns ... I know citizen freedoms are important - but there are places in the country where guns are out of control and this will just hurt nay effort to get the under control. Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JW Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 only an idiot could see that as a good thing .... Igor Let's see...the Supreme Court protecting an individual's right to protect themselves, their family, and their property from thugs who thrive on operating outside the "protection" of a handgun ban, is idiotic? Do you honestly think that this ruling will make guns more available to criminals? Do you think that they were just doing without, prior to today? The crime rate in DC has spiraled out of control in the last 20+ years. Certainly the citizens' inability to (legally) protect themselves hasn't helped. The shortsightedness of the anti-gun nuts continually blows me away... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 You all do not live in DC do you - you have no idea how many people just hand over guns to criminals who then go and shoot innocent kids ... idiots from "outside' will keep fucking around with the best efforts of strained city PD's to limit useless fatalities by illegally owned guns ... I know citizen freedoms are important - but there are places in the country where guns are out of control and this will just hurt nay effort to get the under control. Igor Igor, it is a proven and undeniable fact of life that stricter gun laws do not protect anyone. Case after case, study after study, country after country. Everytime what you are suggesting has been applied it has failed. It has failed miserably and people have paid the price in lives lost. The government simply can not be everywhere at all times to protect all persons. On their best day they can't. Police Departments are entities that are designed to react to a crime, not prevent it. On the other side of that coin, in every instance where private citizens are empowered to protect themselves by means of firearms, violent crime decreases. That is also a true and undeniable fact of life. Washington DC with it's complete ban on handguns was still the murder capitol of the country year after year. Meanwhile other cities that allow CCW have far less murder and violent crime rates. Sooner or later you, people like you and the certain persons within the government are going to have to come to the realization that when it comes to defending my life (my being John Q. Public), no one can do it better than I. Certainly not the police who will almost surely not be around when your life needs defending. I work in the public safety job field igor so you can rest assured I know a good deal about this. We do the best we can, we really do. But the reality is, nobody can protect you better than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenhawkings Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 QUOTE (igor @ Jun 26 2008, 10:46 AM) * You all do not live in DC do you - you have no idea how many people just hand over guns to criminals who then go and shoot innocent kids ... Igor have you been to detroit they pass guns out on the school bus! HAHAHA! "you all" is that proper english for a dumbarse hillbillie? your kids has a greater chance of getting hurt in your car than by a gun!, hell it has a greater chance of getting hurt in your car as it hits a deer that wasn't shot , than getting hurt by a gun. or should i say lack of gun in that case. those that give up liberty for security deserve neither! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenhawkings Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 ooh one last thing i am sure all the money the cioty spent on that new baseball stadium so those senators, and congressmen, and all the lobbyists can watch a game while at work, could have put at least $500 million dollars worth of police force on the street, or you could have even spent some of that on education, something you could use! blind sheep really are amusing, especially when they walk off a cliff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wescoent Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Igor, it is a proven and undeniable fact of life that stricter gun laws do not protect anyone. Case after case, study after study, country after country. Everytime what you are suggesting has been applied it has failed. It has failed miserably and people have paid the price in lives lost. The government simply can not be everywhere at all times to protect all persons. On their best day they can't. Police Departments are entities that are designed to react to a crime, not prevent it. On the other side of that coin, in every instance where private citizens are empowered to protect themselves by means of firearms, violent crime decreases. That is also a true and undeniable fact of life. Washington DC with it's complete ban on handguns was still the murder capitol of the country year after year. Meanwhile other cities that allow CCW have far less murder and violent crime rates. Sooner or later you, people like you and the certain persons within the government are going to have to come to the realization that when it comes to defending my life (my being John Q. Public), no one can do it better than I. Certainly not the police who will almost surely not be around when your life needs defending. I work in the public safety job field igor so you can rest assured I know a good deal about this. We do the best we can, we really do. But the reality is, nobody can protect you better than you. One wonders how many of those murders were random attacks compared to inter-gang killings. There is no reason why someone with no criminal record should be restricted from firearms ownership. I have no issue with restricted sales to people with criminal records, or the requirement to register firearms. As far as random crime goes, I think a criminal would be a lot less inclined to attack a person if there was a pretty good chance that person was armed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Criminals will posess guns whether they are legal or not. Law abiding people will not posess guns if they are illegal. If handguns are illegal, as they virtually are in Canada, then there will be a big business in selling illegal guns. It is happening in Canada now. Armies of extra police and gun dealers are finding it very lucrative. Prohibit anything that many people want and you create a huge black market for that commodity. Drug prohibition is another example. Alcohol prohibition was ended, but the government went into the business. The same thing has happened with gambling. The government has entered into a partnership with organized crime running casinos and numbers (lotteries). I say that we should just legalize the whole lot and the government should stay out of it. If people want to drink, smoke, do drugs, buy guns, or gamble, then let them. They are going to do it anyway. Why do we have to spend billions of dollars trying to regulate them or catch them. Legalizing drugs will put drug dealers out of business. As for pot, it will grow wild in the woods, free for the taking. Alcohol? Build yourself a still. Tobacco? You could buy a leaf or two in the produce section of the supermarket. Shred it for cigarettes, or roll it into cigars. None of this will happen because there are too many vested interests in keeping all of this illegal trafficing going. This includes the government, the police, lawyers, and criminals, just to name a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 I think that the problem with guns and the laws that get written to restrict their availability are that they are dealing with 2 different things. Law abiding citizens who would like to possess a firearm for hunting, target shooting, self defense, etc shouldn't have a problem doing that (I believe requiring people to take a gun safety course, write a test, register their firearms should be mantatory - if you have a problem with that, no gun for you, it's really not that much to ask is it?) - most will go their entire lives and possess, handle, use the firearm safely and appropriately, some may at some point in their life make a very bad decision, flip out, have an accident and use the gun for a non-intended purpose - but if they didn't possess a gun would they not perhaps use a knife, bat, golf club, their car, etc... My biggest problem is why THEY (our government via lawyers who "write" these laws) don't crack down on the ones who misuse firearms. If you're caught with a firearm that you are not legally allowed to possess (REGARDLESS of if you have used it to commit a crime) you should be locked up/shipped out/whatever...in my common sense world there would be NO reason why someone is in possession of an illegal weapon...but in today's bleeding-heart society I know my ideas are but a pipe dream Stay safe everybody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 I think that the problem with guns and the laws that get written to restrict their availability are that they are dealing with 2 different things. Law abiding citizens who would like to possess a firearm for hunting, target shooting, self defense, etc shouldn't have a problem doing that (I believe requiring people to take a gun safety course, write a test, register their firearms should be mantatory - if you have a problem with that, no gun for you, it's really not that much to ask is it?) - most will go their entire lives and possess, handle, use the firearm safely and appropriately, some may at some point in their life make a very bad decision, flip out, have an accident and use the gun for a non-intended purpose - but if they didn't possess a gun would they not perhaps use a knife, bat, golf club, their car, etc... My biggest problem is why THEY (our government via lawyers who "write" these laws) don't crack down on the ones who misuse firearms. If you're caught with a firearm that you are not legally allowed to possess (REGARDLESS of if you have used it to commit a crime) you should be locked up/shipped out/whatever...in my common sense world there would be NO reason why someone is in possession of an illegal weapon...but in today's bleeding-heart society I know my ideas are but a pipe dream Stay safe everybody The whole reason behind gun prohibition is to create more government beaurocracy and more crime. In Canada, the illegal gun trade is becoming almost as lucrative as the drug trade. Many millions of tax free dollars are changing hands under tables. The government does not care about public safety. It cares about money. The more unsafe the public feel, the more excuse the government has to intrude into their lives. It is the Liberals who always want more restrictions on law-abiding people and softer sentences for convicted criminals. They are on the side of the criminals. They keep the criminals in business and the criminals keep them in business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 I think the saddest part of the story is how close to change we are, it was only upheld by a 5 - 4 margin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 There is no purpose to a handgun outside of collectors and target shooting. They have no place in cities outside of the hands of those people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wescoent Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 There is no purpose to a handgun outside of collectors and target shooting. They have no place in cities outside of the hands of those people. Home defense? Personal defense? Like it's been said.. the police can't be everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 There is no purpose to a handgun outside of collectors and target shooting. They have no place in cities outside of the hands of those people. So if someone was to stick you up or rob your house you wouldn't want any protection??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 So if someone was to stick you up or rob your house you wouldn't want any protection??? Long guns can provide protection just as well. If your cities are that unsafe then perhaps you need a big change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Home defense? Personal defense? Like it's been said.. the police can't be everywhere. Have you ever looked up crime rates?? Check those out and look how they differ with the gun laws. Compare D.C. with Vermont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Long guns can provide protection just as well. If your cities are that unsafe then perhaps you need a big change. Or perhaps the laws need to be changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Home defense? Personal defense? Like it's been said.. the police can't be everywhere. Home defense - Handgun not needed. That's what security systems and other measures are for. If your that worried, get the right equipment to keep your house safe. Personal defense - I feel that no one should be allowed to carry guns on their person outside of the police. I don't expect the police to be everywhere, however some states in the US are too free with their gun laws. Illegal guns flood both my country and yours because of it. I'm not saying that law abididng people can't own guns, but hand guns have no place in cities and people should need to be cleared to own other types of guns. There are states where that isn't the case and others suffer because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Or perhaps the laws need to be changed. Perhaps they do, but changing laws can't fix everything and allowing large sections of the population to be armed with easily concealed weapons only makes things worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Long guns can provide protection just as well. If your cities are that unsafe then perhaps you need a big change. Not quite. If that were the case, no one in the military would be issued sidearms...but only rifles. Handguns work MUCH better in closed quarters -- aka INSIDE YOUR OWN HOME. :shrug: I don't own a handgun, but Im still glad that I could if I wanted to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 I'm not arguing this any further. People have a right to opinions, I just don't happen to share those of many Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JW Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Home defense - Handgun not needed. That's what security systems and other measures are for. If your that worried, get the right equipment to keep your house safe. Personal defense - I feel that no one should be allowed to carry guns on their person outside of the police. I don't expect the police to be everywhere, however some states in the US are too free with their gun laws. Illegal guns flood both my country and yours because of it. I'm not saying that law abididng people can't own guns, but hand guns have no place in cities and people should need to be cleared to own other types of guns. There are states where that isn't the case and others suffer because of it. Yeah, that's right, go ahead and perpetuate the myth that criminals get guns because of lax gun laws. Because dirtbags steal them from people like me, and then ship them to your country (maybe your country ought to tighten up its borders a bit instead of blaming the US for yet another of your ills???). And if you have this massive influx of illegal guns, despite so many restrictions, what does that tell you about the effectiveness of your laws?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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