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#1 OFFLINE   LincolnFan

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 01:44 PM

Hell yeah. This is the car to own. You have the Boss engine coming and the only 'car' you're gonna put in is the Mustang. Other than that NADA, ZLICH. it will become a truck engine.

Please make the Thunderbird.
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#2 OFFLINE   Watchdevil

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 07:37 PM

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Posted 09 February 2007 - 01:01 PM

LOL. Sorry about the three topics. the site was lagging like hell.
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Posted 07 April 2007 - 11:56 PM

In my humble opinion, Ford cannot be Ford without a Thunderbird. As I sit here thinking about the '55 Thunderbird I stand to inherit, the number of 77-79 Thunderbirds I still see in daily use, the '91 Thunderbird my mom put over 200,000 miles on, I can't help but wonder why there is no Thunderbird currently available.

Say it over and over..Thunderbird.

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 02:22 PM

What would you say about the idea of

CD3-based Fusion Coupe = Thunderbird ?
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Posted 09 April 2007 - 02:40 PM

As much as I like the Fusion, I dont think anyone is ready for a FWD, 4 cyl T-bird.
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Posted 09 April 2007 - 02:47 PM

Oh yeah - I forgot the RWD/FWD issue.
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Posted 09 April 2007 - 02:48 PM

Remember the Cadillac Cimarron? It took years for Cadillac to live that down.

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 09:57 AM

Please Ford give us a Vette killer with the new Boss engines!!! The Thunderbird is a supposed to be a dream car!!! Please make one!!!
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Posted 10 April 2007 - 11:26 AM

Absolutely no business case for it.

Domestic automakers are currently focusing their attention on bringing super-compact models here from Europe. That is the future of transportation... not these recreational 60's flashback models.

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Perhaps if gas and insurance cost as much today as it did forty years ago, it wouldn't be a problem.
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Posted 07 June 2007 - 04:24 AM

Absolutely no business case for it.

Domestic automakers are currently focusing their attention on bringing super-compact models here from Europe. That is the future of transportation... not these recreational 60's flashback models.

:closedeyes:
Perhaps if gas and insurance cost as much today as it did forty years ago, it wouldn't be a problem.


I disagree.
A Thunderbird based on the RWD S197 (Mustang) could have the more economical Duratec 3.5 as the base engine. I think a base model Thunderbird would be a fantastic 3rd car and it need not compete with the Vette to be seen as fun. Enthusiasts can opt for the V-8 in a GT edition, which would rival the base Corvette. A Thunderbird Cobra would have turbos and performance/ price rivaling the Corvette Z06. The base model would still be a fun roadster for touring/cruising with enough performance to put a smile on the casual driver's face. (Some of us want a fun cruiser/ daily driver without the need for mind-boggling performance.) The base model would also be priced in the low $30's well-equipped. I think for most people who want a semi-luxurious, fun, convertible cruiser-roadster without the bulk of the Mustang the base model would be quite enough. This strategy could also help Ford keep its CAFE numbers in check.

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 07:13 AM

Basing the Thunderbird on a Mustang chassis would hobble any effort to bring back the Cougar.....instead, Ford should look to the entire company and bring forth a chassis from somewhere within the Ford empire (Mondeo? Falcon? RX-8?) that shares nothing with any other Ford in the American Ford lineup.

What would a RX-8 chassis'ed car with a TwinForce V6 do? I'll bet that it would run circles around anything on the market.
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Posted 07 June 2007 - 10:41 AM

Basing the Thunderbird on a Mustang chassis would hobble any effort to bring back the Cougar...


The whole problem of bringing back all the beloved marques is the heritage of how the Thunderbird, Mustang and Cougar originated...

The Thunderbird was the original effort to make a Ford sports car. It grew into a four seater and became a personal luxury car that became expensive.

In comes the Mustang in a smaller size based on a Falcon and affordable. The Thunderbird grew to become exclusive and large therefore serving two completely different market segments.

Then comes the Cougar. Essentially a more luxurious variation of the Mustang in the vein of a mini-Thunderbird. The market for domestic vehicles was so diverse it would support many variations of Ford products. The Cougar carved a mystique of it's own.

We all know how the rest of history went. The Cougar got bigger and more popular in the mid-sized personal luxury segment where cars of the 1970's sold the most. The Thunderbird stayed on a huge full-sized car platform while selling in exclusive numbers. Meanwhile the Mustang lost muscle and became smaller and more economical while serving as a sportier alternative to a Pinto...

The Thunderbird shifted to the Torino/Montego/Cougar intermediate platform, became smaller and a couple thousand dollar cheaper and set sales records for teh Thunderbird name. This was in a time when alternatively styled vehicles where selling in a hot market so the sister Cougar did well too...

1980-82 Thunderbird and Cougar sales tanked. It was not until 1983 that and true bold move was made to bring european inspired aero style to revive the Thunderbird and Cougar. It was done with two distinct personalities. A sloped rear window coupe for the Thunderbird and a formal upright greenhouse for the Cougar. Both sold well.

As the 1990's approached coupes fell out of favor for sedans that were better styled, better performing and passenger comfortable.... The end result was Tbirds and Cougars dropped in favor for cars like the Lincoln LS and a more focused niche Thunderbird in the form of a two seat roadster. Meanwhile the Cougar was unsucessfully given a small sporty FWD coupe image that confused buyers...

Meanwhile the Mustang enjoyed a resurgence as a high performance small sporty car... However, the Mustang occupies the same segment with similar buyers as the Thunderbird did with the convertible model, just a a much cheaper price making the Thunderbird roadster pointless.

This leaves it tough to determine what type of Thunderbird should be resurrected and the obvious redundance if a Cougar is brought back. Obviously both marques have their own style and mystique. But is it enough to bring back in profitable numbers?

I do believe that the Mustang could benefit from a more personal high content luxury variation. Does that mean there should be a Lincoln version over a Thunderbird and Cougar?

It's all confusing... But one thing is unforgivable. You don't take a 50+ year marque which is an American legend and icon and kill it... It makes it look like a failure when in fact the failure is in managing the marque and having a relavent plan in place to preserve it...

People around here are grabbing up all the late model four seat Thunderbirds they can find because they love them and there is no newer alternative that is just right for them...

Like someone said, you can compromise and buy a Mustang which is too small, a Charger which is a Chrysler product with four doors (and not a Thunderbird), a Monte Carlo which is FWD (and not a Thunderbird), or if you have enough money you can get you a used late model Tbird roadster which is limited by two seats and take it or leave it retro styling.
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 03:09 AM

OK, I'm going to confess something to you all, so please don't laugh. Ya'll want to know why I wish Ford brought back the Thunderbird? It's rather simple. I have a coupla toddlers. We watch Disney's Cars movie about 3 times a week, especially in the minivan. Everytime I see Lightnin' running around old Route 66 in the beautiful countryside or cruising around town I get to thinking how much I'd love to have a roadster that was thoroughly modern but had the cuteness & charm of the original one. Something just for me & my honey. But something I could also commute in with style and a fair bit of performance!

There, now you know why I like the idea of the Return Of The Thunderbird {add thunder & lightning here}. I rather liked the look of the last iteration of the Thunderbird. I felt it was more 'pure' and true to the original icon. What was wrong with it was the price, lack of pop-up rollover safety bar and the design was just a wee bit too.... unrefined?

I'm a kid from the 70's, so I don't think I've ever seen the original T-Birds, but darnit that movie just makes me ache for one. Although some say the character was styled closer to an early Corvette, I ain't getting in no Corvette (hate the interiors) & not luxurious enough. :shades:

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 09:55 PM

How about a high lux version of the Mustang....Ghia comes to mind....seeing as we want to blow the dust off old name plates
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Posted 10 June 2007 - 03:39 AM

Basing the Thunderbird on a Mustang chassis would hobble any effort to bring back the Cougar.....instead, Ford should look to the entire company and bring forth a chassis from somewhere within the Ford empire (Mondeo? Falcon? RX-8?) that shares nothing with any other Ford in the American Ford lineup.

What would a RX-8 chassis'ed car with a TwinForce V6 do? I'll bet that it would run circles around anything on the market.


I meant the Thunderbird should be based on a shortened S197 platform. I think the Thunderbird should stay as a 2 seater roadster rather than a 2+2 coupe. I considered this to be a good way of producing a fabulous vehicle that shares a lot with the current Mustang in order to keep costs down.

An RX-8 chassis'd vehicle would be an interesting proposal!

A Cougar would still be on a regular Mustang platform eh? Sorry I'm not old enough to know much about the Cougars.

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 08:07 AM

Mahe my THUNDERBIRD come with suicide rear doors, hidden headlights, swing away steering wheel and the styling of the '69's!!!!

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 08:31 AM

T-Birds should have 2 Doors Only

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 10:29 AM

The next Thunderbird's design should be as simple as could be. Take the next Mustang's chassis, splice an extra foot in the middle behind the rear door, and give it different front and rear clips, re-trim the interior, 3.5L V6, 4.6L V8, and you're done.

Or, splice 6 inches out of it, and make it a 2-seater, but also just change the front and rear clips.

I'd buy either in a second, without even second thought.

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 04:05 PM

I like the shortened Mustang chassis idea (although using the RX-8 chassis sounds mighty interesting also)

Here's a pic of an original Thunderbird:

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IMO, the 2002 Retro-Bird had the right direction for future 'Birds.
Can you see these just as cute with maybe a dash more aggressive looks
using the S197 architecture? THAT would make for a pretty machine! :shades:

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